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Project Gutenberg #1636
Phaedrus
Plato's dialogue on love, the soul, and the difference between true and false rhetoric, ending in the critique of writing, with Jowett's introduction.
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Phaedrus (Part 1 of 2)
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PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE : Socrates, Phaedrus.
SCENE :
Under a plane-tree,
by the banks of the Ilissus.
SOCRATES:
My dear Phaedrus,
whence come you ,
and whither are you going ?
PHAEDRUS:
I come from Lysias
the son of Cephalus,
and I am going to take a walk outside the wall ,
for I have been sitting with him the whole morning ;
and our common friend Acumenus
tells me that it is much more refreshing to walk in the open air than to be shut up in a cloister .
SOCRATES:
There he is right . Lysias
then ,
I suppose ,
was in the town ?
PHAEDRUS:
Yes ,
he was staying with Epicrates,
here at the house of Morychus;
that house which is near the temple of Olympian Zeus.
SOCRATES:
And how did he entertain you ?
Can I be wrong in supposing that Lysias
gave you a feast of discourse ?
PHAEDRUS:
You shall hear ,
if you can spare time to accompany me .
SOCRATES:
And should I not deem the conversation of you and Lysias '
a thing of higher import ,'
as I may say in the words of Pindar, '
than any business '?
PHAEDRUS:
Will you go on ?
SOCRATES:
And will you go on with the narration ?
PHAEDRUS:
My tale , Socrates,
is one of your sort ,
for love was the theme which occupied us —
love after a fashion : Lysias
has been writing about a fair youth who was being tempted ,
but not by a lover ;
and this was the point :
he ingeniously proved that the non-lover
should be accepted rather than the lover .
SOCRATES: O
that is noble of him !
I wish that he would say the poor man rather than the rich ,
and the old man rather than the young one ;—
then he would meet the case of me and of many a man ;
his words would be quite refreshing ,
and he would be a public benefactor .
For my part ,
I do so long to hear his speech ,
that if you walk all the way to Megara,
and when you have reached the wall come back ,
as Herodicus
recommends ,
without going in ,
I will keep you company .
PHAEDRUS:
What do you mean ,
my good Socrates?
How can you imagine that my unpractised memory can do justice to an elaborate work ,
which the greatest rhetorician of the age spent a long time in composing .
Indeed ,
I cannot ;
I would give a great deal if I could .
SOCRATES:
I believe that I know Phaedrus
about as well as I know myself ,
and I am very sure that the speech of Lysias
was repeated to him ,
not once only ,
but again and again ;—
he insisted on hearing it many times over and Lysias
was very willing to gratify him ;
at last ,
when nothing else would do ,
he got hold of the book ,
and looked at what he most wanted to see ,—
this occupied him during the whole morning ;—
and then when he was tired with sitting ,
he went out to take a walk ,
not until ,
by the dog ,
as I believe ,
he had simply learned by heart the entire discourse ,
unless it was unusually long ,
and he went to a place outside the wall that he might practise his lesson .
There he saw a certain lover of discourse who had a similar weakness ;—
he saw and rejoiced ;
now thought he , '
I shall have a partner in my revels .'
And he invited him to come and walk with him .
But when the lover of discourse begged that he would repeat the tale ,
he gave himself airs and said , '
No I cannot ,'
as if he were indisposed ;
although ,
if the hearer had refused ,
he would sooner or later have been compelled by him to listen whether he would or no .
Therefore , Phaedrus,
bid him do at once what he will soon do whether bidden or not .
PHAEDRUS:
I see that you will not let me off until I speak in some fashion or other ;
verily therefore my best plan is to speak as I best can .
SOCRATES:
A very true remark ,
that of yours .
PHAEDRUS:
I will do as I say ;
but believe me , Socrates,
I did not learn the very words —O
no ;
nevertheless I have a general notion of what he said ,
and will give you a summary of the points in which the lover differed from the non-lover.
Let me begin at the beginning .
SOCRATES:
Yes ,
my sweet one ;
but you must first of all show what you have in your left hand under your cloak ,
for that roll ,
as I suspect ,
is the actual discourse .
Now ,
much as I love you ,
I would not have you suppose that I am going to have your memory exercised at my expense ,
if you have Lysias
himself here .
PHAEDRUS:
Enough ;
I see that I have no hope of practising my art upon you .
But if I am to read ,
where would you please to sit ?
SOCRATES:
Let us turn aside and go by the Ilissus;
we will sit down at some quiet spot .
PHAEDRUS:
I am fortunate in not having my sandals ,
and as you never have any ,
I think that we may go along the brook and cool our feet in the water ;
this will be the easiest way ,
and at midday and in the summer is far from being unpleasant .
SOCRATES:
Lead on ,
and look out for a place in which we can sit down .
PHAEDRUS:
Do you see the tallest plane-tree
in the distance ?
SOCRATES:
Yes .
PHAEDRUS:
There are shade and gentle breezes ,
and grass on which we may either sit or lie down .
SOCRATES:
Move forward .
PHAEDRUS:
I should like to know , Socrates,
whether the place is not somewhere here at which Boreas
is said to have carried off Orithyia
from the banks of the Ilissus?
SOCRATES:
Such is the tradition .
PHAEDRUS:
And is this the exact spot ?
The little stream is delightfully clear and bright ;
I can fancy that there might be maidens playing near .
SOCRATES:
I believe that the spot is not exactly here ,
but about a quarter of a mile lower down ,
where you cross to the temple of Artemis,
and there is ,
I think ,
some sort of an altar of Boreas
at the place .
PHAEDRUS:
I have never noticed it ;
but I beseech you to tell me , Socrates,
do you believe this tale ?
SOCRATES:
The wise are doubtful ,
and I should not be singular if ,
like them ,
I too doubted .
I might have a rational explanation that Orithyia
was playing with Pharmacia,
when a northern gust carried her over the neighbouring rocks ;
and this being the manner of her death ,
she was said to have been carried away by Boreas.
There is a discrepancy ,
however ,
about the locality ;
according to another version of the story she was taken from Areopagus,
and not from this place .
Now I quite acknowledge that these allegories are very nice ,
but he is not to be envied who has to invent them ;
much labour and ingenuity will be required of him ;
and when he has once begun ,
he must go on and rehabilitate Hippocentaurs
and chimeras dire .
Gorgons and winged steeds flow in apace ,
and numberless other inconceivable and portentous natures .
And if he is sceptical about them ,
and would fain reduce them one after another to the rules of probability ,
this sort of crude philosophy will take up a great deal of time .
Now I have no leisure for such enquiries ;
shall I tell you why ?
I must first know myself ,
as the Delphian
inscription says ;
to be curious about that which is not my concern ,
while I am still in ignorance of my own self ,
would be ridiculous .
And therefore I bid farewell to all this ;
the common opinion is enough for me .
For ,
as I was saying ,
I want to know not about this ,
but about myself :
am I a monster more complicated and swollen with passion than the serpent Typho,
or a creature of a gentler and simpler sort ,
to whom Nature has given a diviner and lowlier destiny ?
But let me ask you ,
friend :
have we not reached the plane-tree
to which you were conducting us ?
PHAEDRUS:
Yes ,
this is the tree .
SOCRATES:
By Here ,
a fair resting-place,
full of summer sounds and scents .
Here is this lofty and spreading plane-tree,
and the agnus castus high and clustering ,
in the fullest blossom and the greatest fragrance ;
and the stream which flows beneath the plane-tree
is deliciously cold to the feet .
Judging from the ornaments and images ,
this must be a spot sacred to Achelous
and the Nymphs .
How delightful is the breeze :—
so very sweet ;
and there is a sound in the air shrill and summerlike which makes answer to the chorus of the cicadae .
But the greatest charm of all is the grass ,
like a pillow gently sloping to the head .
My dear Phaedrus,
you have been an admirable guide .
PHAEDRUS:
What an incomprehensible being you are , Socrates:
when you are in the country ,
as you say ,
you really are like some stranger who is led about by a guide .
Do you ever cross the border ?
I rather think that you never venture even outside the gates .
SOCRATES:
Very true ,
my good friend ;
and I hope that you will excuse me when you hear the reason ,
which is ,
that I am a lover of knowledge ,
and the men who dwell in the city are my teachers ,
and not the trees or the country .
Though I do indeed believe that you have found a spell with which to draw me out of the city into the country ,
like a hungry cow before whom a bough or a bunch of fruit is waved .
For only hold up before me in like manner a book ,
and you may lead me all round Attica,
and over the wide world .
And now having arrived ,
I intend to lie down ,
and do you choose any posture in which you can read best .
Begin .
PHAEDRUS:
Listen .
You know how matters stand with me ;
and how ,
as I conceive ,
this affair may be arranged for the advantage of both of us .
And I maintain that I ought not to fail in my suit ,
because I am not your lover :
for lovers repent of the kindnesses which they have shown when their passion ceases ,
but to the non-lovers
who are free and not under any compulsion ,
no time of repentance ever comes ;
for they confer their benefits according to the measure of their ability ,
in the way which is most conducive to their own interest .
Then again ,
lovers consider how by reason of their love they have neglected their own concerns and rendered service to others :
and when to these benefits conferred they add on the troubles which they have endured ,
they think that they have long ago made to the beloved a very ample return .
But the non-lover
has no such tormenting recollections ;
he has never neglected his affairs or quarrelled with his relations ;
he has no troubles to add up or excuses to invent ;
and being well rid of all these evils ,
why should he not freely do what will gratify the beloved ?
If you say that the lover is more to be esteemed ,
because his love is thought to be greater ;
for he is willing to say and do what is hateful to other men ,
in order to please his beloved ;—
that ,
if true ,
is only a proof that he will prefer any future love to his present ,
and will injure his old love at the pleasure of the new .
And how ,
in a matter of such infinite importance ,
can a man be right in trusting himself to one who is afflicted with a malady which no experienced person would attempt to cure ,
for the patient himself admits that he is not in his right mind ,
and acknowledges that he is wrong in his mind ,
but says that he is unable to control himself ?
And if he came to his right mind ,
would he ever imagine that the desires were
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