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Project Gutenberg #1636
Phaedrus
Plato's dialogue on love, the soul, and the difference between true and false rhetoric, ending in the critique of writing, with Jowett's introduction.
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of diplasiology ,
and gnomology ,
and eikonology ,
and who teaches in them the names of which Licymnius
made him a present ;
they were to give a polish .
PHAEDRUS:
Had not Protagoras
something of the same sort ?
SOCRATES:
Yes ,
rules of correct diction and many other fine precepts ;
for the '
sorrows of a poor old man ,'
or any other pathetic case ,
no one is better than the Chalcedonian
giant ;
he can put a whole company of people into a passion and out of one again by his mighty magic ,
and is first-rate at inventing or disposing of any sort of calumny on any grounds or none .
All of them agree in asserting that a speech should end in a recapitulation ,
though they do not all agree to use the same word .
PHAEDRUS:
You mean that there should be a summing up of the arguments in order to remind the hearers of them .
SOCRATES:
I have now said all that I have to say of the art of rhetoric :
have you anything to add ?
PHAEDRUS:
Not much ;
nothing very important .
SOCRATES:
Leave the unimportant and let us bring the really important question into the light of day ,
which is :
What power has this art of rhetoric ,
and when ?
PHAEDRUS:
A very great power in public meetings .
SOCRATES:
It has .
But I should like to know whether you have the same feeling as I have about the rhetoricians ?
To me there seem to be a great many holes in their web .
PHAEDRUS:
Give an example .
SOCRATES:
I will .
Suppose a person to come to your friend Eryximachus,
or to his father Acumenus,
and to say to him : '
I know how to apply drugs which shall have either a heating or a cooling effect ,
and I can give a vomit and also a purge ,
and all that sort of thing ;
and knowing all this ,
as I do ,
I claim to be a physician and to make physicians by imparting this knowledge to others ,'—
what do you suppose that they would say ?
PHAEDRUS:
They would be sure to ask him whether he knew '
to whom '
he would give his medicines ,
and '
when ,'
and '
how much .'
SOCRATES:
And suppose that he were to reply : '
No ;
I know nothing of all that ;
I expect the patient who consults me to be able to do these things for himself '?
PHAEDRUS:
They would say in reply that he is a madman or a pedant who fancies that he is a physician because he has read something in a book ,
or has stumbled on a prescription or two ,
although he has no real understanding of the art of medicine .
SOCRATES:
And suppose a person were to come to Sophocles
or Euripides
and say that he knows how to make a very long speech about a small matter ,
and a short speech about a great matter ,
and also a sorrowful speech ,
or a terrible ,
or threatening speech ,
or any other kind of speech ,
and in teaching this fancies that he is teaching the art of tragedy —?
PHAEDRUS:
They too would surely laugh at him if he fancies that tragedy is anything but the arranging of these elements in a manner which will be suitable to one another and to the whole .
SOCRATES:
But I do not suppose that they would be rude or abusive to him :
Would they not treat him as a musician a man who thinks that he is a harmonist because he knows how to pitch the highest and lowest note ;
happening to meet such an one he would not say to him savagely , '
Fool ,
you are mad !'
But like a musician ,
in a gentle and harmonious tone of voice ,
he would answer : '
My good friend ,
he who would be a harmonist must certainly know this ,
and yet he may understand nothing of harmony if he has not got beyond your stage of knowledge ,
for you only know the preliminaries of harmony and not harmony itself .'
PHAEDRUS:
Very true .
SOCRATES:
And will not Sophocles
say to the display of the would-be
tragedian ,
that this is not tragedy but the preliminaries of tragedy ?
and will not Acumenus
say the same of medicine to the would-be
physician ?
PHAEDRUS:
Quite true .
SOCRATES:
And if Adrastus
the mellifluous or Pericles
heard of these wonderful arts ,
brachylogies and eikonologies and all the hard names which we have been endeavouring to draw into the light of day ,
what would they say ?
Instead of losing temper and applying uncomplimentary epithets ,
as you and I have been doing ,
to the authors of such an imaginary art ,
their superior wisdom would rather censure us ,
as well as them . '
Have a little patience , Phaedrus
and Socrates,
they would say ;
you should not be in such a passion with those who from some want of dialectical skill are unable to define the nature of rhetoric ,
and consequently suppose that they have found the art in the preliminary conditions of it ,
and when these have been taught by them to others ,
fancy that the whole art of rhetoric has been taught by them ;
but as to using the several instruments of the art effectively ,
or making the composition a whole ,—
an application of it such as this is they regard as an easy thing which their disciples may make for themselves .'
PHAEDRUS:
I quite admit , Socrates,
that the art of rhetoric which these men teach and of which they write is such as you describe —
there I agree with you .
But I still want to know where and how the true art of rhetoric and persuasion is to be acquired .
SOCRATES:
The perfection which is required of the finished orator is ,
or rather must be ,
like the perfection of anything else ;
partly given by nature ,
but may also be assisted by art .
If you have the natural power and add to it knowledge and practice ,
you will be a distinguished speaker ;
if you fall short in either of these ,
you will be to that extent defective .
But the art ,
as far as there is an art ,
of rhetoric does not lie in the direction of Lysias
or Thrasymachus.
PHAEDRUS:
In what direction then ?
SOCRATES:
I conceive Pericles
to have been the most accomplished of rhetoricians .
PHAEDRUS:
What of that ?
SOCRATES:
All the great arts require discussion and high speculation about the truths of nature ;
hence come loftiness of thought and completeness of execution .
And this ,
as I conceive ,
was the quality which ,
in addition to his natural gifts , Pericles
acquired from his intercourse with Anaxagoras
whom he happened to know .
He was thus imbued with the higher philosophy ,
and attained the knowledge of Mind and the negative of Mind ,
which were favourite themes of Anaxagoras,
and applied what suited his purpose to the art of speaking .
PHAEDRUS:
Explain .
SOCRATES:
Rhetoric is like medicine .
PHAEDRUS:
How so ?
SOCRATES:
Why ,
because medicine has to define the nature of the body and rhetoric of the soul —
if we would proceed ,
not empirically but scientifically ,
in the one case to impart health and strength by giving medicine and food ,
in the other to implant the conviction or virtue which you desire ,
by the right application of words and training .
PHAEDRUS:
There , Socrates,
I suspect that you are right .
SOCRATES:
And do you think that you can know the nature of the soul intelligently without knowing the nature of the whole ?
PHAEDRUS: Hippocrates
the Asclepiad
says that the nature even of the body can only be understood as a whole . (
Compare Charmides.)
SOCRATES:
Yes ,
friend ,
and he was right :—
still ,
we ought not to be content with the name of Hippocrates,
but to examine and see whether his argument agrees with his conception of nature .
PHAEDRUS:
I agree .
SOCRATES:
Then consider what truth as well as Hippocrates
says about this or about any other nature .
Ought we not to consider first whether that which we wish to learn and to teach is a simple or multiform thing ,
and if simple ,
then to enquire what power it has of acting or being acted upon in relation to other things ,
and if multiform ,
then to number the forms ;
and see first in the case of one of them ,
and then in the case of all of them ,
what is that power of acting or being acted upon which makes each and all of them to be what they are ?
PHAEDRUS:
You may very likely be right , Socrates.
SOCRATES:
The method which proceeds without analysis is like the groping of a blind man .
Yet ,
surely ,
he who is an artist ought not to admit of a comparison with the blind ,
or deaf .
The rhetorician ,
who teaches his pupil to speak scientifically ,
will particularly set forth the nature of that being to which he addresses his speeches ;
and this ,
I conceive ,
to be the soul .
PHAEDRUS:
Certainly .
SOCRATES:
His whole effort is directed to the soul ;
for in that he seeks to produce conviction .
PHAEDRUS:
Yes .
SOCRATES:
Then clearly , Thrasymachus
or any one else who teaches rhetoric in earnest will give an exact description of the nature of the soul ;
which will enable us to see whether she be single and same ,
or ,
like the body ,
multiform .
That is what we should call showing the nature of the soul .
PHAEDRUS:
Exactly .
SOCRATES:
He will explain ,
secondly ,
the mode in which she acts or is acted upon .
PHAEDRUS:
True .
SOCRATES:
Thirdly ,
having classified men and speeches ,
and their kinds and affections ,
and adapted them to one another ,
he will tell the reasons of his arrangement ,
and show why one soul is persuaded by a particular form of argument ,
and another not .
PHAEDRUS:
You have hit upon a very good way .
SOCRATES:
Yes ,
that is the true and only way in which any subject can be set forth or treated by rules of art ,
whether in speaking or writing .
But the writers of the present day ,
at whose feet you have sat ,
craftily conceal the nature of the soul which they know quite well .
Nor ,
until they adopt our method of reading and writing ,
can we admit that they write by rules of art ?
PHAEDRUS:
What is our method ?
SOCRATES:
I cannot give you the exact details ;
but I should like to tell you generally ,
as far as is in my power ,
how a man ought to proceed according to rules of art .
PHAEDRUS:
Let me hear .
SOCRATES:
Oratory is the art of enchanting the soul ,
and therefore he who would be an orator has to learn the differences of human souls —
they are so many and of such a nature ,
and from them come the differences between man and man .
Having proceeded thus far in his analysis ,
he will next divide speeches into their different classes :—'
Such and such persons ,'
he will say ,
are affected by this or that kind of speech in this or that way ,'
and he will tell you why .
The pupil must have a good theoretical notion of them first ,
and then he must have experience of them in actual life ,
and be able to follow them with all his senses about him ,
or he will never get beyond the precepts of his masters .
But when he understands what persons are persuaded by what arguments ,
and sees the person about whom he was speaking in the abstract actually before him ,
and knows that it is he ,
and can say to himself , '
This is the man or this is the character who ought to have a certain argument applied to him in order to convince him of a certain opinion ;'—
he who knows all this ,
and knows also when he should speak and when he should refrain ,
and when he should use pithy sayings ,
pathetic appeals ,
sensational effects ,
and all the other modes of speech which he has learned ;—
when ,
I say ,
he knows the times and seasons of all these things ,
then ,
and not till then ,
he is a perfect master of his art ;
but if he fail in any of these points ,
whether in speaking or
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